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  • Ship based seasteading, any thoughts?

    So we're about to see how a "fixed" seastead pans out, with XLII, now in the water...
    The ocean being what it is, XLII may or may not work out, but we should get some very useful data.
    Data, which will help develop future projects.
    Spar platforms are only one way of floating a "boat"...

    So I put it to the fledgling forum, what are your views regarding ship based seasteading?

    My reasons for preferring ship based seasteading, is I am actually a grumpy old git, and prefer to keep other people as far away as possible...
    The thought of living on a platform with a load of other Humans, fills me with horror...
    But, that's just me...

    What about others, I'm very interested in hearing your thoughts...

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    They attempted this idea with Blueseed. A ship with multiple units out in the ocean doung a figure 8 all day. The problem with a ship being that you need to keep moving forward or be tossed side to side by the waves.

    I agree with you on enjoying solitude. The first production spar seasteads will have dynamic mooring. We do not plan on anchoring them. Hopefully we get it to the point where you open an app and choose your location (not too far away but enough to vote with your house).

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    • #3
      From personal experience, you never really get rid of the ocean movement, unless of course your structure is of an order of magnitude, that the ocean no longer "effects" the structure.
      Sailing in a figure of 8, with a load of other vessels, oh boy, it won't long before I start playing dodgems with the other vessels...

      The concept of voting with your home, is probably the biggest appeal Seasteading has... Well for me, and from what you say, you too..

      My idea of ship based Seasteading is moving from sheltered water to sheltered water, exploring and living a nomadic life on the ocean.
      Being tossed around by the sea is simply something you've got to accept...

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      • #4
        i too would want a seastead that can be moved when needed. i have not done any research on the spar based anchor system as opposed to other methods (i assume, perhaps wrongly, that the spars cant be moved along with the seastead, at least not without some changes and added special equipment to do so). i would use a seastead to travel around. seems like an ideal platform to travel in although it would be fairly infrequent.

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        • #5
          Spars can be moved, all be it rather slowly.
          The spar concept has been proven to be a good platform, in offshore conditions.
          However... they are quite limited in what they can support, and tying multiple Spars together to create a larger structure creates more issues than it solves. Just look at existing offshore spar platforms, all that are linked together are anchored in place, and cannot be moved easily.

          ​​​​​Semi-submersible rigs offer a slightly easier mobility. But again fairly limited.

          Ocean engineering is like being in a preschool class, where you build Lego, and the class teacher picks it up and throws it at the wall, then looks at you with a calm, expressionless face, waiting for you to make another Lego model...

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          • #6
            yeah pros and cons everywhere, and im good at breaking things. but i usually my experiments and testing doesnt have the potential to drown when it fails, although ive found breaking some types gear has many way to get hurt or die associated with it. just part of the game.

            but you do the best you can and plan your bailout options and safely plans accordingly. im used to it, this project seems worth testing the options.

            its all new stuff so plenty of testing to look forward to.
            Last edited by vapourminer; 01-14-2019, 01:24 PM.

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            • #7
              You can also think of living in the Ocean as living with Hannibal Lecter, sooner or later he's going to eat you...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SphyrnaTek View Post
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                My idea of ship based Seasteading is moving from sheltered water to sheltered water, exploring and living a nomadic life on the ocean.
                That is not Seasteading it is Sail/Motorboat cruising. No sheltered water 12 NM offshore.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Manfred View Post
                  That is not Seasteading it is Sail/Motorboat cruising. No sheltered water 12 NM offshore.
                  I see where you are coming from, but my ideal is I don't land for supplies, everything is either caught from the vessel or grown/produced onboard...
                  But, at what point do you move from sheltered water to open ocean, and I will say nothing is black and white, the whole point of Seasteading is to throw out the rule book that confines how we live our lives.
                  Who say's Seasteading has to be this or that, it should be what ever you want it to be.
                  But, I do get your point...

                  Oh, I should add, I too have experienced the ocean in all it's fury, that's why I'd prefer to stay in the calmer sheltered waters.
                  It was bad enough in a vessel designed the "sink"...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SphyrnaTek View Post

                    I see where you are coming from, but my ideal is I don't land for supplies, everything is either caught from the vessel or grown/produced onboard...
                    But, at what point do you move from sheltered water to open ocean, and I will say nothing is black and white, the whole point of Seasteading is to throw out the rule book that confines how we live our lives.
                    Who say's Seasteading has to be this or that, it should be what ever you want it to be.
                    But, I do get your point...

                    Oh, I should add, I too have experienced the ocean in all it's fury, that's why I'd prefer to stay in the calmer sheltered waters.
                    It was bad enough in a vessel designed the "sink"...
                    If you are within the 12NM you play by the rule book of the countrys territorial waters you entered. On a vessel you carry a flag, the flag symbolizes the rule-book you adhere to.
                    On a seastead you design the flag.
                    I also have seen extremely calm sea in Atlantic. You drop a drop and it would produce rippling rings, wow.
                    Best part going for a swim in the middle of an Ocean, Eery feeling.

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                    • #11
                      As a current US Citizen, one of two things that bug the crap out of me is FATCA, which taxes me on foreign income even if I'm not living in the US, and how they ding you on an exit tax if you want to get rid of your citizenship. Having a seastead would be amazing, but what's keeping the government from coming after you with force or sending mercenaries if they feel you have slighted them? Piracy is also a concern for those in more sheltered areas. Constant vigilance and friends in high and low places doesn't seem like a bad idea.

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                      • #12
                        12 NM seems to be a rough guideline anymore. Most countries that I've reviewed under UNCLOS control have no problems playing and boarding all the way out to their nation's EEZ at about 200NM

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by AndrewKKozak View Post
                          As a current US Citizen, one of two things that bug the crap out of me is FATCA, which taxes me on foreign income even if I'm not living in the US, and how they ding you on an exit tax if you want to get rid of your citizenship. Having a seastead would be amazing, but what's keeping the government from coming after you with force or sending mercenaries if they feel you have slighted them? Piracy is also a concern for those in more sheltered areas. Constant vigilance and friends in high and low places doesn't seem like a bad idea.
                          Thankfully, I'm not a US citizen, so your tax system does not bother me, however your Armed Forces do...
                          The US military is the greatest threat to any seastead operation, a little too trigger happy...

                          Pirates on the other hand, I have experienced those fellas...
                          They don't like being shot at, not to mention most can't swim, so if you can put a few holes in and around the waterline, they tend to Foxtrot Oscar pretty sharpish...

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                          • #14
                            I vaguely recall a story of the guy who runs sealand out in UK land, and some mercenaries kidnapped his daughter "the princess" for ransom. That is obviously not a situation any of us want.

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                            • #15
                              Spar platforms are only one way of floating a "boat"...
                              So I put it to the fledgling forum, what are your views regarding ship based seasteading?
                              What about others, I'm very interested in hearing your thoughts...
                              Yes. Absolutely yes. Go for it, and let us now how it works for you.

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